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Hello
Wonderful weekend, lots of fun and laughter with two and a half year old.
No tears until Daddy said "time to go and see Mummy" when it was time to return her to her Mother. Then the crying started and "no I don't want to," She cried and cried and at one point said "Daddy's nasty." Obviously she had no understanding of what she said as she adores her Daddy. There is only one explanation for this and it has to be that this has been said to her by, I suspect, the Mother and her family.
Knowing the family and how they function, I believe this may be the start of an attempt at parental alienation which I suspect is happening and will be on going. The emotional effect and the influence the Mother and her family have on our little girl worries us dreadfully.
Can anything be done to stop this type of behaviour and parental alienation by the Mother and her family?
Final court hearing is in a few weeks time.
Please do not suggest mediation. In this case the Mother and her family have no sense of decency and expect to control everything and everyone who is connected to them.
I think there's another way to look at this, she is old enough to know what nasty means, it's a word in her growing but limited vocabulary that she is learning to use. In her mind she was being made to do something that she didn't want to do and she was expressing herself.
My 3 year old grandson calls me naughty when I do something he doesn't like. He has told me he doesn't love me, he does by the way! ....children pick these things up without realising what the impact of using them is.
I wouldn't read too much into it, as her behaviour doesn't reflect that she actually thinks that, you state that you had a wonderful weekend with her with lots of fun and laughter, that doesn't indicate that she is being alienated.
Just try and look at the bigger picture and choose your fights wisely...IMO this shouldn't be one of them!
Thank you for your reply. I understand all you say apart from IMO, I don't know what that abbreviation means?
What I did emit from the quote "Daddy's nasty" was the mention by my grandchild of a member of her maternal family. So the quote was (we did not catch all the words), "Granddad - - - - - - - - - - - Daddy's nasty." The family I know, would have no conscience in speaking in a derogatory manner in front of the children.
Can you tell me please, if a child is being influenced by the Mother or other members of the family in an unhealthy way, how or what can be done to try and stop the behaviour of alienation?
Can anything like this be commented on in court or should it be left to "die a death?" I feel this type of thing will continue unless the Mother and her family are made to realize how emotionally damaging it is to a child?
I do feel strongly that it was not a child speaking but a child repeating what she had heard.
IMO = in my opinion
What you describe is fairly typical parental alienation, something the courts are slowly recognising exists. Unfortunately, however much a court may rule that the mother stops this, it's virtually impossible to enforce, if you can even prove it's going on, so you need to concentrate on showing that your daughter is the most important person to you, and she will realise for herself that what other people are saying about you isn't true at all.
Thank you actd.
I'm Nanna, it is my Son's daughter.
I feel so wretched seeing my Son go through all of this. He is a wonderful father who had his children late in life and they are so dearly wanted. Unfortunately the Mother who now lives with her parents, ( I'm lost for words ), their behaviour appears totally beyond my comprehension, driven by greed, anger, control, I really do not know where they are coming from. Having been connected to them these past few years I realized some time ago that they do not function on a healthy psychological level.
I don't understand the court procedures but the first time we went enormous headway was achieved. However, the second time albeit the CAFCASS report was in Father's favour the judge seemed to want both parents to come to an arrangement between themselves which they didn't as she vetoed everything. Having said that access time was increased and a sleep over but what CAFCASS had recommended was not achieved and I am wondering why and what will happen at the final hearing. Does this sort of thing happen at the second hearing? I am so disappointed. The solicitor seems to think it is all going very well but for me it seems unnecessarily slow progress for no good reason whatsoever.
I would appreciate your opinion, thank you.
Hi,
I can only speak for my personal experience. At my second hearing the cafcass s7 wasn't even mentioned. Her solicitor had prepared an interim order and that was about it. It was a very disheartening experience.
I hope that the tide will turn at my final hearing and things will go better.
I wish the same for you and ask interested in others experience too.
MH
Unfortunately, the system often is very slow, so it's a matter of patience and making the most of what has already been granted. If your son (apologies for the slip on my previous post - your username should have told me that!) hasn't already done so, he needs to keep a diary of everything that goes on (good and bad), as this can be useful in court.
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