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I need to get some advice about recording a public conversation between my ex and myself.
She never confirms anything by text or in a way that can be reproduced however during a face to face meeting recently she stated her intention to limit my contact to one hour per month, something I am aware is very likely be increased to a more realistic level should the matter go to court, which is what I feel the eventual outcome will be. As she is being deliberately obstructive (not to mention unjustified) I want the court to be made aware of her behaviour and I feel my best chance would be to covertly record the next face-to-face meeting we have. During the last conversation she even admitted the reason she only outlined her plans this way because text etc could be used against her.
Does anyone know exactly what the law is regarding the recording of a conversation in this way for the reasons outlined? I am aware a telephone call can only be played to a third party with the other person's permission but I was wondering if anyone knows if the same applies to conversations in public areas?
You can record the call conversations or out in public (as a party consenting, even if other is not aware) - transcribe the conversation & use it in court - if you want to do that.
You can record the call conversations or out in public (as a party consenting, even if other is not aware) - transcribe the conversation & use it in court - if you want to do that.
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. Do you know this 100% for certain?
YUP 🙂
Thanks!
This afternoon she agreed to one final meet under the pretence of "ironing a few things out" a.k.a. "agree with me or else" so let's hope she lays it on thick in the belief there will be no record of it 🙂
I agree - when you are out in a public place, there are no restrictions on recording/videoing etc, and I think that might also apply even in private. As far as I recall, the restriction on recording phone calls is part of a telcomunications act.
Because you know you’re recording you are able to limit or calm your responses or orchestrate the question to get the responses you want.
I think that’s the reason why recording can be flawed in the eyes of the courts.
I’ve recorded my ex in the past to try and protect myself from any allegations and also to help me remember what was said and how it was said because in the heat of arguments I’ve had with the ex all manner of things get dragged out and thrown in to it.
The problem is again you know you’re recording so you can keep yourself the calm and prepared one and lead the ex in to traps.
The best results I’ve had are with the things she put in writing. Verbal is just “he said - versus - she said”! in writing its pretty much black and white.
Yes and no - the recorded conversation would indicate whether you've lead someone into a trap, or whether they are unreasonable without any provocation. I agree that you can moderate your own behaviour because of it, but it's up the other party is responsible for their own behaviour, and that's what you'd be expecting to show in court - but I agree, it is of limited value. I would suggest that a recording is more for your protection if it goes pear-shaped, rather than to try to produce evidence to back your argument.
An interesting update!
I bought a recording device with 2 concealed microphones as she agreed to meet yesterday. Went along and she surprised me by being unexpectedly cordial however she refused to budge from her 'offer'. It seems that because she feels I let her and her kids down, she doesn't want me being 'too much' of a part of the baby's life in case I subsequently let him/her down too and as such refuses to even allow me enough time to create enough of a bond that could see the child getting disappointed. She also reiterated the fact she has brought her 2 children up on her own well enough (which she has) and therefore feels my role is not a 'requirement'.
I didn't actually do much of the talking, it was about 90% her, and I have it all on tape. I really hate myself for having to go down this route and I'm desperate for there never to be a situation where I have to play it for anyone.
Hey, Thanks for the update.
A lot of personal & emotional stuff mentioned...
Any contradictory statements or admission of incorrect events?
If not, then don't transcribe.
Hey, Thanks for the update.
A lot of personal & emotional stuff mentioned...
Any contradictory statements or admission of incorrect events?If not, then don't transcribe.
She mentioned some incidents between us that I have a different recollection of, nothing major just things like she claimed she told me something whereas i know that she didn't.
The idea behind the conversation was to get a recording of her saying she intends to limit my access and input in the child's life. In the past she told me if a court feels a mother is trying to push the father out of the child's life they can be more favourable towards him in their ruling.
If you intend to continue recording, only transcribe & use when "major" differences/ contradictions arise.
If you include all "minor" (emotional content) items then that may back-fire if transcribed/ played back at a family court hearing.
Good Luck - Hope you can get the threat of parental alienation admission from your ex.
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