[Solved] Fighting a dangerous liar..

Absolutely - it seems like par for the course.

I've had monstrous allegations made against me and it's now been two years since our separation. Some of the delays were out of my control due to extended time wasted on applications for legal aid though so we've only been going through the courts for about 5 or 6 months. I'm now told the next hearing will be in two months and the delays in the court are horrendous. They have lost documents, got information wrong and the left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing - all the while the children are without fathers.

In my own personal case, I absolutely know and have proof that I am innocent of the allegations against me. I also have proof of the allegations against the mother. The courts response to this is to allow the children to stay in the care of the mother despite serious safeguarding concerns. I'm horrified by the way the justice system in our country runs - it simply makes no sense.

I wish you luck - be patient and keep your cool. Hopefully there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

Unfortunately none of what you two guys describe is unique or even uncommon.

There is a solution. It's called patience.

Tell the truth, research your facts and case and give it time. Usually a decent judge reaches the right conclusions.

It just seems to take far too long.

That's justice.

Im not dealing with a lair as such but more an ex GF that is fabricating the truth for their own benefit and to obtain a NMO to prevent the child from contacting me and vice versa. Im just hoping that she shoots herself in the foot with silly fabricated allegations which is wasting police, courts and my time. (arrested 3 times and released every time with NFA being taken over the last 6 mths) even though we split over two years ago and have never had a row ect Each time when a new bloke is on the scene.

IMO women can say and do what they like and until there is something in place to punish women for false allegations the balance of justice will be with the woman. Even if the father has the children too in my experience as with my ex wife 10 years ago.

Always equal rights until it come to DV, im sorry to say

Yes my partner is going through this too. Sadly in his case his sociopathic ex coerced his child into making false allegations too and he was arrested. Thankfully, and rightly, he was never charged and was totally exonerated but despite the court finding late last year that the evil woman is emotionally abusing his 3 children and alienating them he’s not seen them for almost 2 years. It’s his eldest’s 8th birthday in two weeks and he’s not even allowed to send a card.

You are certainly not alone. I think courts, Cafcass and social workers need a few lessons in recognising liars. The only people who saw through his ex were the school staff but no one took any notice of them.

I wish you all the luck in the world with your battle, fighting a clever and convincing liar is no easy matter.

It's really troubling to hear other people's experiences of such injustices that happen. I'm glad now caffcass have been removed and social services will take over the recommendations for the court as I know they carry more power. Their previous report slated her and exposed her ability to make serious accusations but now it's being rewritten because of her complaints which is typically what people with personality disorders do. It worrys me that she knows the basis and context of what the investigation entails now so she may well manipulate my daughter to say false truths.. however they know her history with false accusations. The case it now paused until social services complete their emergency report again. What will she do next is my next question. I miss my little girl so bad all I want is to see her on a weekend I'm hardly asking for the world!

I'm so sorry to hear this, I feel for you and your child.

As justdad has said, patience is what you need right now, it would be a dereliction of the courts duty if they didn't investigate any/all allegations of harm to a child, as much as false allegations are more common than you would think, how could you tell which are real and which are false without investigating, and whilst that process goes on, potential risks to the child must be managed.

It's a crime that once allegations have been found to be false that the accusers aren't punished with the existing laws of contempt, but family law is a law unto itself and in my opinion, it is flawed and until false allegations are dealt with strongly, things won't change.

The mother has been exposed, her constant complaints about professionals that speak up against her behaviour won't go unnoticed, and once the reports are in the mother won't be able to avoid your day in court.

If at any time you want to add further applications, or new directions to your case, you can do that with form C2 ... it might be advisable to apply for a Prohibited Steps Order to prevent the mother from changing schools, if she has fallen out with the headteacher that might be a possibility.

It's very diffficult to get a transferral of residence, but if the reports find that your child is being emotionally and psychologically abused, it might be enough.... it's impossible to predict I'm afraid.

Whilst you're not seeing your child you might like to start a keepsake box and start putting little cards, photos and gifts inside, ready for when you can see her again, this will show her that you never stopped thinking about her... it will be something that she can treasure.

All the best

Hi

Thanks for all your replys. I believe her next step will to be take my child out of the school so as to basically silence the school from giving their further opinion for the next report.. how much does this prohibited steps order cost to apply for and how do you go about it..? She's trying to silence anyone who speaks out against her so I think this could be a good idea.. also wouldn't I again have to try to attend mediation with her before I can apply for this new order?l I have parental responsibility so she couldn't change my child surname without my knowledge surely?

That’s exactly what his ex did. She literally stormed in at 11.00 one morning and took them out of school. Sadly the new school were totally taken in by her and were very uncooperative until his solicitor sent them a letter. They even changed the children’s surnames to that of her new husband without consulting him.

You would need form C2, and you would be applying to make another application within existing proceedings. You can apply for it as an urgent application to try and get it back to court before the next hearing, as that's some way off. As to cost, I'm not sure but according to the guidelines it's £155.

Download the form, fill it out and take it to the court, if you're on a low income or benefits, you may be entitled to a part or full exemption from the fees and you would need form EX160 to claim this.

Once the application has been accepted you will get a date to attend, if you're application is urgent, it's better to mention it on the form and also take the form in person and discuss the urgency with the court office staff.

Best of luck