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(@jibberjabber)
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Having benefitted a lot from this site, thought I should share what I can in case it is useful. I couldn't find anything to help me with being cross-examined when I was self-representing at a Magistrates Court, nor much in the way of help. In fact, when I had to cross examine the ex, it was a shambles, but when her barrister cross-examined me it was a total gift. Please note, this was in a Magistrates' Court - and as usual, it comes with the condition that you have to be able to pour all of your emotional energy into the cold hard facts of the case that you know better than anyone.

By profession, I teach philosophy and rhetoric at Cambridge, so I can put a sentence together - but in terms of identifying what is legally relevant and what is not, I am a total amateur. But here is what worked - and it worked to the extent that the barrister got emotional and teary-eyed that her technique wasn't working:

1. The Barrister used (as many of them do) a rhetorical device that is like a boxer loading a punch. She began by making a simple statement with which any person would agree. And then another, and then another - and you are expected to say "yes, yes, yes" because you want to appear reasonable. However, as the questions continue they get more specific, until you get to the point where you say "Yes, but..." Of course, they are not interested in anything after your "but." The key, for me, was to to say "no" as early as possible in the sequence of questions.

For instance:
a. Surely you agree that the children love their mother.
b. Surely you agree that the mother loves the children.
c. Surely you agree that she only wants what is best for the children.

At point C., I just said "No". Of course, the whole court stares at me. But then I have chance to expand. "I do not believe that in this particular instance, the mother's prime concern is the wellbeing of the children."

You know your case better than any barrister - and if there is a way of saying No as early as possible, you're less likely to walk into a rhetorical trap.

2. "Love" is a word thrown around a lot in court - and barristers know precisely how to exploit its ambiguity. I refuse to use it, because it is not specific enough. Instead, I stuck to the language of "my wellbeing and my happiness is entirely dependent upon the wellbeing and happiness of the children." It is a long-winded way of saying that you love them, but it shows that love (for you) is not simply a sentiment, or an emotive word, but has actual hard-core content.

3. There are various facts which are not relevant in court - because they do not pertain directly to the case. However, they would subconsciously help the court to build a picture. They may not be relevant, but once spoken the court cannot unhear them. I presented these in the knowledge that they would be struck from the record. Some points were just made outright, others were smuggled into other statements. These points included: the mother ending the marriage to set up with another guy; that other guy being violent with the kids; the kids hating him; the mother losing her driving licence, being accused of fraud, etc etc. These cannot be the main part of an argument, but if you're self-representing you can still get them in 'innocently'.

Finally - it goes without saying that it's best to treat everyone with utter courtesy and respect. It is perfectly possible to annihilate them whilst doing so.

My case was scheduled for 2 days, but ended after less than one because the other party's arguments evaporated.

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Topic starter Posted : 31/05/2014 3:15 pm
j2, Nannyjane, eric14 and 3 people reacted
(@eric14)
Honorable Member Registered

Thank you so much for sharing it is likely my case will go to a contested hearing as I really do not see ex being willing to come to any agreement that is best for the children and not herself,

you are right I couldn't find a great deal of information but this does help,

I am sure I may come back to ask a question or two if and when it comes to it back in court in 8 weeks to see if we need to go to contested final hearing :unsure:

Cheers Eric

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Posted : 31/05/2014 3:36 pm
(@Nannyjane)
Illustrious Member Registered

Thanks JJ

I'm so impressed that even under the level of emotional stress that walks hand in hand with self repping in court, you were able to analyse the barristers techniques and bring them to our table in such a succinct way! Knowledge is power!

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Posted : 31/05/2014 3:41 pm
(@Loddy)
Estimable Member Registered

jibberjabber,

Thanks for posting the above

I'm sure many on here will appreciate what you've written

And no doubt it will help some Father that are self representing & being crossed examined

I found out the hard way that it's just a game to the Solicitors in the Family Courts & they don't care what's true or false! just that they win the game....

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Posted : 31/05/2014 5:43 pm
(@jibberjabber)
Eminent Member Registered

Thanks everyone,
Wasn't sure how this would come across! If it's useful - the three things I wasn't expecting:

1. I took written evidence with me, but by the time of the hearing it is too late to use it. It has to be submitted well in advance of the hearing!
2. When cross examining or being cross examined, we were only allowed to use the written evidence that everyone had seen. You could not address anything that wasn't already there on paper in front of you - so it pays to have read it over and over, and to make sure your arguments are relevant.
3. Having prepared well - I had a list of questions ready to ask, and a list of questions I expected them to ask. Because they can only use what is already on paper in front of you - they are limited in what they can push you for. In fact, if you're anything like me, you're so worried about the whole thing, that there is nothing and absolutely nothing that a barrister can throw at you. And keep in mind, they only read your file half an hour before the hearing.

As a father, it still seems there is a mountain of prejudice to overcome. My sense is, however, that if you are honest, polite, and calm then the courts seem to be extremely good at working out what is fair. Good luck to you all.

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Topic starter Posted : 01/06/2014 1:57 pm
(@Nannyjane)
Illustrious Member Registered

Thanks, we all benefit from others experiences in court and its always welcome!

It's always a good idea to file evidence as you go along...the procedure is to ask permission to file any documents that havent been requested by the court before filing them.. Some judges are sticklers for procedure, whereas others seem more laid back...but how are we to know, so its best to err on the side of caution and always try to stick to procedure wherever possible. Being a LIP one can always plead ignorance though!

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Posted : 01/06/2014 5:11 pm
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