[Solved] Why dont my payments stop when my daughter is work

I don't think there's a lot you can do about the maintenance - I think the full time education (and they have defined it) takes precedence over the job. However, I would say that your daughter should be living with you if she only went back to her mother out of fear. If she lives with you and your ex comes round, then get the police out and have her arrested for breach of the peace if she makes it difficult, and then look at taking out an injunction. Your daughter is an adult now, so she can make her own decisions based on what she wants, not on your ex's finances.

Thanks for the reply, Its not easy to have my daughter live with me as my wife has 3 sons as well, 17/15/12 and NOPE there dad pays nothing well I say nothing but in October 2012 my Mrs got £2.50 from them that was the 1st payment in 3 years!
but back to my daughter, She is welcome to live here, and we have a loft thats been converted to 1 big bedroom and bathroom etc, which we could split in to 2 rooms. I did also have her mom arrested but dropped charges as my daughter was upset.
but she has her own little life now, so she is not in the house often, and her mom lets her do pritty much what she wants, which I would be a little more "ruling" in my own house and with my daughter, So many be that would put her off..lol

I still cannot work out how 12 hours in college is full time, and 24+ hours work is not even taken in to account? there are Adults that look for jobs at 16+ hour's and that's classed as part time, and 18 is no child! (only in the parents eye's)

This needs to be clear, they say if a "child" is working 24 hours or more they are not classed as a child no more (even at 16) but then if that child goes to college for 2 days a week then they become a child again? that's a bit messed up!!

Also the college / school course's are not really well explained, as my daughter did 1 A level in year 1 of college and also did her 1st year in media studies, now is doing 2nd year in media studies which is an AS or NVQ lvl 3 course but the CSA when I asked was not even 100% sure if the course she was doing was within there own rules?

I also have another problem I pay the CSA to my Daughters mom in her Madam name, now I did tell the CSA that my daughters moms name was the name they were telling me, but she has now married and changed her name (easy to find on Facebook) but the CSA said I had to pay her under a name she dont use? Which I dont think I should!!
My daughters mom was took to court 6 years ago for benefit fraud on a large scale, and I think this name that I am paying should be addressed, as if she is claiming child support in her old name, then what else is she doing? but the CSA really dont care, and as I was very happy to help them, and gave them full details and never made it hard on them as they cannot touch my money as its a pension, and also I could have played them for months and months, but I had to STOP paying (CSA said) till they worked out how much my payment would be, and to save some money up as it would be back dated (not how much) and I was over paying when the CSA came back to me, and even said I can pay the amount I was before, but I told them NO [censored] way! after all the [censored] I have had off her and the CSA (yes the 1st phone call was from someone that thought I never paid for my kids, and treated me like something you scrape off your shoe)

Think I might write a letter and make them explain how 12 hours college is full time, and 24 hours paid work is part time, and yet both of them on there site do different things, it may help someone else in the future?

Brumie

Hello Brumie

Thank you for your post. I am William, the Child Maintenance Options consultant. I understand you pay child maintenance through the Child Support Agency (CSA) for your 18 year old daughter. You said that your daughter works 24 hours a week and studies at college for 2 days a week.

In your post you said that Child Benefit should not be payable to your daughter's mother because your daughter works 24 hours a week. If you have concerns about the payment of Child Benefit you may wish to contact their department to discuss this. You can find the contact details for the Child Benefit department and further information about their service at: https://www.gov.uk/browse/benefits/child.

You also mentioned that your daughter's college course comes to an end in June and she intends to go to university but you are not sure what her course would be classed as. Child maintenance is payable when the receiving parent is still in receipt of Child Benefit payments and the child is aged under 16, or under 20 and in full-time non-advanced education. When a child leaves full-time education in the summer, Child Benefit generally continues until the first week of September. As you are aware, the definition of full-time education is more than 12 hours a week of study, on a course up to and including A level standard. Some examples of non-advanced education are:

O level, GCE, GCSE, A level, AS level
SCE Higher Grade or equivalent
GNVQ, NVQ levels 1 2 and 3
BTEC National Diploma
SCOTVEC National Certificate
Scottish Certificate of 6th Year Studies
Foundation Arts Course
Secretarial Course with GCSE entry
NNEB
Hairdressing Courses

If your daughter was in advanced or higher education, she would no longer qualify for child maintenance. Some examples of advanced and higher education are:

Degree
NVQ level 4 and above
DHE
HND
BTEC, NHC, HND
SCTVEC, HNC, HND
Teacher Training

Although you mentioned that you have already spoken to the CSA about your concerns, if you would like an explanation of their guidelines or to find out when your payments will stop you may wish to re-contact them. Their contact details can be found on any letter they have sent you, or online at https://www.gov.uk/childmaintenance.

We have a sorting out separation web-app that you may find useful, it offers help and support to separated families. You can find this at: http://www.cmoptions.org/en/sortingoutseparation/index.asp.

If you would like to talk to our team in complete confidence about child maintenance you could give us a ring on 0800 988 0988. We also have some other useful tools on our website to help support separated parents.

Hi William,
Thank for the reply, it is SO hard to get REAL information on what the REAL rule's are.

1st I need you to know that the links dont take you to any pages, it just comes up page not found, I have done this on other links that have been posted by yourself as well??

you have put full time education is more than 12 hours a week, but when I spoke to the CSA they said its 12 hours a week, is FULL time! and then followed up with the fact my daughter working 24+ hours a week is classed as a temporary job, Which then I had to explain its NOT as she has a contract and is Part time! (She works for Mc Donald's)
Her working hours are over double her college hours, so I would say that its very simple to say her college is NOT full time!

Also you have made a comment about child benefit being paid for up to 20 weeks after leaving school, This is WRONG, My Wife has 3 children, and her oldest is 17, and when he left school and was waiting to start college, the Child benefit STOPPED (6 weeks) they said this was due to him not being in any education!

The thing is here that I have to find out the information, when for me its hard but for other's its impossible! every person that works has to have a NI number, so the CSA only has to check to see if any work is being done via this number!
Also the CSA does not MAKE the PWC send in any information about what extra schooling the child is having after the age of 16, which is something that should be done, as the NRP has to send the CSA there life story and all savings and investments!

Also I know I will have to keep paying my daughter mom till the 31th of August 2013 regardless of if she is in college or not at that time, this also is the case if the child starts college and then leaves 6 weeks later, the NRP STILL has to pay till the end of the school year, WHY? '

Also as my daughter is going to Uni, which will be local and part time, as she will be doing a social worker course, I dont know if the course is none advanced or advanced, but she will still be working as well.

Also 1 of the problems I mixed up in my thread was the fact I am HAVING to pay my daughters mom, in her madam name, yet she is married and dont use that name, and I have tried and tried with the CSA to get the name I pay changed, but they say I have no rights??
I know she was in court before for benefit fraud, thats why she went to the CSA expecting to get more money from me than I was paying via private agreement, and yet the CSA are allowing her to use a name she can no longer use to claim CSA payments from me, which I think is breaking the law by not only my daughters mom, but also the CSA as they are enforcing it!

There is NO way I can go to private talks with my daughters mom due to having to get police out to her on more than 1 occation, and I do not want to deal with her anyway!
All I want is for the CSA to get things right, stop her payments, So I can then sort out money going to my daughter knowing she is able to use it for what she needs (I have a standing order to my daughters bank account already, as I never wanted her to work, I wanted her to do well and work hard in college, but I respect her for getting a job as well!)

As for my Son's mom, we have sorted everything out ourselve's, even tough the CSA MADE me tell her to contact them as the CSA would not factor in the payments in the private agreement to my son's mom, So they did there payment as if I only had 1 child! (just stupid rules that need sorting out!!)

I am just sick really of the way the CSA/Goverment work out how and what to pay and for how long and what they call full time. this is not realistic and I think ANYONE with 1/2 a brain can see that!
The rights of the NRP is discrimination!! and this should be the starting point of an action group to take on the CSA!
I dont think the NRP should not pay for there own children, but the PWC has everything on a plate! and its a very simple process for them, giving very little information, and getting all the help. the NRP has to try find out whats going on, and if they are not sure then have to REPORT the PWC to the benefits office, and they are told "thank you, but also we cannot tell you of the out come of the investagation, due to the DPA" So again you dont know whats going on anyway, and have to hope, that the CSA does there job and CHECKS everything, which we know does not happen!

As far as I see it, I am in my childs life, I pay for my child, So I should be able to get ANY information that is linked to my daughter, including what benefits are being paid out.
And yes I took my Daughters mom to court to get to see my daughter after I refused to give her more money, which cost me over £3000 and took 6 weeks (I was lucky it was SO fast) she got it free, and just laughed about it!

Its about time that both parents of a child are treated equal !! and when 1 parent does something that costs the other money thats to do with the child, then that money should be split 50/50 so the "other" parent has to take responcibilty as well. we need some new rules in place and I wonder what the EU would think of the hole system, and what's due to come out were again the NRP has to pay 20% extra on top of what they pay the PWC if the CSA collect the payment, but the PWC only has to pay 7% ! this cannot be right by law, as most NRP's had agreements but then something went wrong and the PWC goes through the CSA.
I think I could go on for ever really!

Also I have looked at the website William, and yes there is some great information there, and I hope it help many people sort out arrangements that both parents agree too, and that support is always there if things change or go off track, but I dont think it helps NRP that do have REAL problems, that can not be dealt with when they are only talking to themself and have no wish to deal with there childs mom or dad!

Regards
Brumie

Hi brumie,

Thank you for highlighting that the links are not working, we are looking in to why this has happened and they should be working in the next couple of days. We are always appreciative of any feedback and you raised some interesting points regarding our website, again we are looking in to ways we can improve this to suit the needs of both paying and receiving parents.

You mentioned throughout your response that you are still having problems with the Child Support Agency (CSA) and are unhappy with how they have dealt with your case. If you are not happy with the service you receive from the CSA you can find out how to complain here https://www.gov.uk/child-maintenance/how-to-complain.

Once again thank you for your reply and do not forget if you need anything further you can give us a call on 0800 988 0988.

William

hi Tony, you HAVE to pay till the end of August, but just because your daughter finishes her A level's in june 2014 does not mean your CSA payments will stop!
If she just starts a new course thats not higher than level 3 NVQ you will have to carry on paying CSA.
Also if she drops out 3 weeks later the award of the CSA lasts till the end of the school year so you will again will have to carry on paying CSA!

This is were its ALL wrong!

I called the CSA myself for some info, and they just told me to call back in August, and they will "start" to look at the case.

The CSA also DID say, that she was in FULL time College doing 12 hours a week, I did say she also works 24+ hours a week, which they replied "it dont matter while she is in full time college"
So her job is part time and college is full time, yet she works 12 hours more than she goes to college??

Also so people dont think I am doing this for my own benefit, My own daughter came to see me a few days ago (18 now) and we was talking about what Uni course she was going to do, and she told me there and then, that her MOM wanted her to do a course that kept my daughter in the bracket to be able to continue to get CSA, even my own daughter is upset with this!
So I could be paying for at least 1 more year to her mom, instead of giving my own daughter the money!

Also I took my Daughter to a car dealer's as she is 18 and just passed her car test, and we looked at a small car that was brand new, and came with 3 years insurance, the monthly payments are £140 a month, and I told her I would buy her the car, when the CSA payments stopped so she had a new car, and not having to worry about insurance!

Its just sicking that there are people that say they are doing it for there children, and the NRP looks like the bad person to the CSA, yet there is a lot of moms that use the CSA to make THERE life's better with no real interest in whats better for the child! and yes I know there is dad's as well that are as bad!!