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[Solved] Shared Care Reduction Rate is Inherently Unfair

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Hi Guys,

I'm a new member and joined just so I could make this point and ask for some advice on the matter:

The current system for calculating the shared care, maintenance rate is to reduce by 1/7th for each night the child stays with the secondary carer (normally the father)

It should be reduced by 2/7th.

Each night the child stays with the secondary carer, they increase there non-maintenance child care costs by 1/7th (relative to being the full time primary carer) and simultaneously reduces the primary carer's childcare costs by 1/7th, so each night should reduce the child maintenance paid by 2/7th to match the TOTAL offset in costs to both parties.

Right now if the primary carer has the child 183 nights and the secondary carer has the child 182 nights then the secondary carer pays 4/7th of the calculated amount, shouldn't it be approaching 0 as it would if the rate was 2/7th?

If the 2/7th approach was used there would be linear reduction in maintenance paid from no overnight stays, to 50/50 care, right through to a reversal in primary carer.

What I'm suggesting makes perfect sense to me and the current system doesn't. Does anyoe have any idea why its 1/7th and not 2/7ths and how I could go about getting the current system reassessed and hopefully changed? I was thinking of creating a petition to the government but won't unless I feel there is a decent chance of getting the required signatures.

PS- I also think it should be calculated on hours per week not nights per week as well, my kids cost way more when they are awake than when they are asleep! Not to mention that the current system discriminates against nightshift workers.

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If you follow your logic, if the child stays with you 2 nights, then you would be reducing maintenance by over half while having a care for just over a quarter of the time. On the current system, the PWC is getting 1/7th less and you are keeping 1/7th more, so the differential is 2/7th between in fact, for example, you have £700 left from your salary to pay child maintenance:

zero nights, you pay 700 per month, your ex receives 700 per month, so she has 700 more than you from your free money.
1 night, you pay 600, keep 100, your ex received 600, so she has 500 more than you, which is the 2/7th you are talking about possibly.

In terms of changing the way it's done, the simple answer is it isn't going to happen - CSA and CMS has been going for 0ver 20 years, and in that time, there have been 3 major changes (CSA1, CSA2 and CMS) , so changes take a long time to happen.

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Hi, thanks for the reply.

I was struggling yesterday to word my isssue and I think sleeping on it has helped.

The entire point of child maintenance is to share the cost of bringing up your children. Let’s say that going by your example I pay £700 a month. This is to cover my share of the children’s cost, so it is assumed that the PWC is also paying some amount towards their care (let’s assume it’s the same amount of £700 for easy math). So the total cost of care for the children is £200 per seventh of the month. So it should extend that each seventh of the month they stay over with the other parent, the other parent should pay £200 less (2/7th)

Another way to put it is that under the current system the children’s care cost is shared while they are in the PWCs house but when they are in the other parents house the PWC does not share in the child care costs which seems inherently unfair.

I am suggesting that each night the other parent has them they should pay for them fully as is the current status quo, but I also suggest that the PWC should reciprocate and also match each night of fully paying for them and the rest the parents should share the cost for.

An important point here is that what I’m suggesting is a fair and linear scaling, the current system has a cliff edge when the balance of care tips and this creates a financial incentive for the PWC to limit the other parent’s contact with the children, as I said in the title, the current scaling is inherently unfair.

I’ll upload a two graphs later with the current system and my suggestion.

I don’t accept that just because something is longstanding it is correct and can’t be changed.

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As promised, see chart attached, that cliff edge on the orange line at the tipping point of the balance of care creates a financial incentive to change contact with the child for financial gain, a linear relationship like the blue line removes this incentive and creates better equality in parenting, it also allows for a more granular approach if that was a route that suited the CMS.

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I can see your point, and in fact the current system does allow for 2/7th for each day in one circumstance, and that's where there is 50/50 care, when the NRP doesn't pay maintenance. The disadvantage of what you suggest is that by working in 2/7th units, there is a much greater incentive for the PWC to fight any overnight stays - just 2 per week would mean that (s)he would lose over half of the mainntenance.

What might be a fairer system would be to continue to work in 1/7th units, but to take both parent's income into account (there are problems if one parent isn't working) and to work out a daily cost, which is then contributed to by booth parents in proportion to their income. If the parent with care can't earn as much because of day to day care of the child, then that would be allowed by the fact that the NRP can earn more. Incomes of spouses of either parent wouldn't be included.

However, as I said, the chances of changing this are remote since the CMS has only just started working with the new calculation.

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