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[Solved] Rental property income tax changes

 
(@North 73)
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Hello,

I wonder if anyone has any knowledge to the new rental property tax changes. I have 5 properties that are mortgaged that I currently rent out, my exwife was settled through our divorce on the equity within those properties. There is some equity in the properties but with the recent changes to rental property tax, I am really concerned as my ex wife is now claiming against the income from those properties through the Child Maintenance Service.

The new changes that are being introduced means that any mortgage for those rental properties can not be offset against the income by 2020.

I make a small income from the properties that I currently pay tax through my self-assessment and that is used to work out my Child Maintenance Service (CMS) assessment.

By 2020, when I can not offset the mortgages against the income, my self- assessment will rocket, and thus will my CMS assessment go higher too, even though I will not be making the profits due to the mortgage payments.

Does anyone have any information on whether the CMS will take into account that I would not be making the income on my self-assessment due to mortgage payments?

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Topic starter Posted : 19/06/2018 2:28 pm
(@superprouddad)
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I do understand the problem you identified, it seems like an unintended consequence. You are being required by law to pay child maintenance on income that doesn't actually exist.

I very much doubt the CMS would take that into account, and I imagine if you call them and asked you're likely to get someone who has no idea what you are talking about.

Perhaps one to take up with your MP if you are so inclined. In your position I would just sell and use the money to work less and spend more time with the kids.

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Posted : 19/06/2018 6:15 pm
(@dadmod4)
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Isn't the fact that you can no longer claim tax benefit simply going to reduce your profit on these properties, so your income will reduce (ie, in simple terms, profit = income - mortgage paments - other expenses) - meaning your maintenance will reduce.

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Posted : 21/06/2018 12:03 am
(@superprouddad)
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Unfortunately it’s the opposite. Before mortgage interest was considered a valid business expense and he could deduct it from his income resulting in a lower taxable profit.

Now he can no longer deduct mortgage interest from his income so his taxable profit is larger, he pays more tax and he pays more child maintenance.

The options I can see are either to suck it up, sell, or put everything inside a company ( but this is only worth it for large property portfolios ).

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Posted : 21/06/2018 2:18 am
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(@North 73)
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Thank you for your replies, unfortunately selling the properties is a non starter as the income generated from the sale will also be included in my self-assessment. Double stung from the ex-wife, settled property equity in divorce and now also paying CMS on the income...

Looks like its suck it up with the new tax legislation..

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Topic starter Posted : 21/06/2018 1:38 pm
(@superprouddad)
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Any gains from selling a property would count as capital gains, not income, and you do have a £11K allowance on capital gains.

I don’t know what the CMS rules are around capital gains are but I’d find it surprising if a one off capital gain were to be included.

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Posted : 21/06/2018 2:22 pm
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(@othen)
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I think this is an unintended consequence, but I agree with the contributor above that the CMS will have no knowledge or understanding of it. Your tax bill will be about the same (as long as you are not a higher rate taxpayer - that is what the new rules were designed to catch) because you will get a tax allowance the equivalent of the mortgage interest, but you will appear (for CM purposes) to have a higher income, although your expenses (mainly the mortgage interest) will remain the same.

CMS will have no sympathy, so as someone said above a case to your MP would be a good idea (I suspect this will happen tens of thousands of times as the new rules taper in).

Good fortune.

PS. I don't think you are right about the CGT situation, CM is based on income after tax, pension contributions and NI, not on capital gains. Although the capital gain will appear on your tax return it will not be as income.

PPS. If any of your BTL houses are suitable for you to live in then sell the place you live in now (no CGT) and move into one, live there 2 years and sell it (no CGT) and move into another and so on ... lots of landlords do that to wind down their portfolios.

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Posted : 21/06/2018 2:47 pm
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(@North 73)
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Thank you all.... food for thought...

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Topic starter Posted : 21/06/2018 3:54 pm
(@dadmod4)
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From all the above comments, I stand by my original suggestion that you get professional financial advice - I think it could save you more than the cost of the advice.

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Posted : 24/06/2018 12:46 am
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