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Hi

 

"If you challenge the Order and fail ( that is the court decides that the order was correctly made ) you may be liable for your wife’s solicitors costs"

 

Your rephrased question is not relevant to fighting the initial non mol application from your ex partner. When they apply for one, they put forward a statement and if you then disagree, you are entitled to challenge and a further hearing is held to review the facts, allegations, evidence etc.. Based on this the court will grant or reject the order. If you fail at this stage you do not need to pay for the other parties legal costs.

 

However, if after this you wish to 'appeal' further, then not only are there specific grounds you need to identify to do so but if you then lose then yes you may need to cover legal costs as ultimately you have failed in your grounds to appeal. However, you would only appeal based on a certainty that the original order was incorrectly made and not because you just disagree with it. It's rare that costs would be awarded and even then its based on means and each case is reviewed on its own merits.

 

As others have said, you need to look at whether you even want to accept or challenge the non mol initially, if it is likely to be granted based on the allegations and a lack of evidence on your part or an acceptance on your part then potentially you could consider undertaking, all of this needs to be considered alongside whether any non mol will prevent access to kids etc.

 

Hope this helps. 

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@Daddyup

Thanks no this is not appealing a non mol again its fact finding so thank god I wont have to pay if I loose then. I will face the hearing lets see how it goes.

If Im contesting my my wifes allegation what sort of evidence I can provide from my part? She is saying i slapped her so how can i prove I havent. What sort of evidences I can provide as defending? 

No she doesnt wanna accept undertaking. They declined and want the non mol to continue. 

 

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@Bestdad111

Very similar

I was advised not but some do in my case it was not going to affect my work as I had done nothing wrong (name cleared) but because I did not contest DV lasted a year but would have cost me between 15/20 thousand (Just to have a piece of paper and the satisfaction saying no) so I thought best to fund a Solicitor and rap up the items for advice/house etc has to be wrapped up tightly for future Sale/children have not seen for over a year or more x making sure of that!

If Children involved it goes up a Level mainly a different hearing and they will ask a Fact-finding but that depends on how you fill and if the courts fill that the children are in Danger or not but x will make it difficult and will lie fabricate etc x had legal Aid so I was not going to win banking on time when children are grown up then they will find out the truth.
My x had alleged affair thought it was the best way out to get me out of the house yes courts in favor and will always towards x and minors so one-sided and would not bank on CafCass as they are one-sided as well through an interview twist wording etc.

Yes, it's tuff my advice keep your expenses to a minimum outlay have a budget stick with it but and esp, make sure that you get to accept an Undertaking Statement.

House paying the Mortgage etc you may have to meet mid-way depending on Circumstances.

I have gone through this and it's very stressful and could break you but, use your friends well light is at the end of the Tunnel.

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Costs are very rarely awarded in these types of proceedings. I have never seen costs awarded in a fact finding hearing. That's not to say it's impossible but very unlikely. 

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@yoda

 

Pheww. Thank god I dont. Im already representing myself cz i cant afford a solicitor. Imagine then having to pay my x solicitor. Would be a disaster. 

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I imagine slapping won't be the only allegation. Often allegations are vague like there where it is difficult to provide evidence to defend.

 

Re evidence, you have to build a picture so that the courts do not believe it happened. Eg that you had a good relationship, or that it's not in your character or nature etc..eg what did the police say? If they dropped things then you could use this. 

 

Unfortunately it's not easy. If the allegations are found against you, then depending on your ex it can be difficult to see the kids.

Others on here are better at explaining how to draft responses and put together evidence. etc. Appreciate you can't afford a solicitor which makes things difficult as my advice is to get a little bit of legal advice for minimal cost, eg you could pay for a couple of hours with a solicitor (300 to 400) to advise you on this very question. However this may not be possible for you. 

 

Hope you manage to sort things, keep using this forum and asking questions for guidance. 

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There is a guide on the Advicenow website about going to court when the other side has a lawyer and you don't - this may be helpful for you.  The Judge will ask what you have to say about her evidence.  You can refer to each part and refute it.  Make a note of what you want to say, keep calm throughout and don't interrupt the Judge or your ex however much you want to deny what she is saying.  You will have your turn.  The Judge may suggest undertakings during the process - you could even offer to accept them.

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Often there is no hard evidence to say whether an incident happened or not which is why a fact finding hearing will take place. Based on the evidence available to the court, they have to decide the probability of whether the incidents happened or not. 

If you have any texts, emails, photos etc that refute her claims, you can use those as part of your evidence. If there are questions you can ask her (the judge will ask them for you) to try and get answers from her in your favour, this can also form part of your evidence. 

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I have a non mol fact finding hearing in June with but I’m due Scott schedule in 2weeks.just worst case scenario what if the fact findings go against will it stop contact with the kids.I’m refuting all allegations but there is a couple that I answer to in that it is a twisted version.my only interest same as everyone is to see the kids so just want to know how much of impact it has in the child arrangements.and would it just mean longer in contact centres building up with the children regards kris 

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Let's start by saying that the DV well could, in my case x poisoned the children hatched a plan so I could see that I was a loser from the start x is very good at twisting the truth and Drama well she took classes. Caffcass interview went well untiled I turned up in court first time of seeing a statement so much one-sided and untrue, too late kept quiet and served a year let x have the run of and sooner or later the truth will come about (Always does) Keep all paperwork WhatsApp, etc you will need it! 
X will pester the life out of you if she keeps the children as no contact want this wants that Just stick with you principles I have and knowing that one day I will be in a better place.

Sorry for the ramble Yes it will if found and depends on her solicitor as well they are out to make money you said x is on Legal Aid that a step back for starters.

Best of Luck but loads of information on the web regarding the topic some have fought the legal system and have won some have not and costing thousands.

 

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